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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:46 pm    Post subject: Chopin Concertos Reply with quote

What do you think of them, and which is your favorite? I really like the second in F minor. The part for piano is very beautiful, especially with the orchestra Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like no.1 better. I love both of them, because of their unique concerto-style. Most concerti sound different and less elegant.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The concerti, composed around the same time as the Etudes op 10, are magnificent works, revealing Chopin's aptitude fully. In his concertos, he takes the then-fresh and wonderful examples of the genre by Ries, Hummel, & Field and transforms it into something quite out of thsi world, quite extraordinary. If Chopin ever knew the concertos of Mozart, it was at a much later time to be of any use to him; so he took the works of the celebrated school of the generation after Mozart as his models. His exquisite genius for large-scale forms united by large-scale relationships of harmonic & tonal color is betrayed in these two wonderful works, as is his seemingly endless flow of melodic, harmonic, & contrapuntal ideas. His treatment of the sonata form makes use of the resources in very imaginative ways, and is even more succesful than that of his close contemporaries. His sense of spacing and delicacy allowed him to invent new sonorities previously unheard. Lastly, his knowlegde of Italian operatic forms allowed him, in the slow movements of his concerti, to construct complete operatic scenas like only his Italian operatic contemporaries could, and strengthened such with his genius for hidden polyphonic lines. The only craft in his concertos he never bothered to perfect because of a lack of interest was orchestration, yet his orchestration is adequate, and I would not have it any other way.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, Philip Daniel took a paragraph to say what could be said in one sentence. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, I prefer the first concerto. The 2nd movement is great. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like both concertos very much. So beautiful, melodic, and virtuostic. Of course the orchestral part is compromised, but that shouldn't take away from the brilliant pianistic writing. I can't really say which one I like better...perhaps the F minor one, due to the second and last movements. Love both adagios, and the finale to the F minor is so elegant and melodic.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those concertos are magnificient!

Both second movements of the concertos are the loveliest things I have heard. Though they may not be the most powerful and organized concertos, their emotional impact is strong. I think I like 2nd better, since I am much more familiar with it. The 1st is greater though, IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like no.1 better. I don't see why ppl like no.2 better.....
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeliness2 wrote:
I like no.1 better. I don't see why ppl like no.2 better.....


I'd say the material is much more easier to get acquanted with. It has better themes that enter immediately and not as diffuse, IMO. I know the 2nd and 3rd movements of the 2nd concerto and can imagine it right now, but none of the 1st is really memorable after only a few listenings. The 2nd is more attractive.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with winterwind, the 2nd one is more attractive.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've never heard either of them Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brewtality wrote:
i've never heard either of them Embarassed


You've got a PM Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both concerto's don't appeal to me. They somewhat give me a classical feel, it's not my style.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only heard no1. So, Chopin wrote only two PCs? Btw how do you people get those picture below your username?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are called avatars

and i ahvent really listened much to the Chopin concerti - they havent struck me too much.....

BUT - i have dre's live wigmore hall cd and OH MY MUTHACHUGGIN GAWWWWWWWD!!!!

the balakirev transcription of the 2nd mvt of the 1st concerto is played by dre and it just makes me CRY!!!!

wowowowowowwowowo!!!!!!!!!!

listen to that recording.....phenomenally beautiful
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, don't you ever wanted to answer ma question first?
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