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Jeliness2
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 Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:11 am Post subject: Fragments |
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| I find it cool to see different popular pieces taking fragmental elements from pieces by Bach. In a performance of Beethoven's Symphony no.5 i saw a week ago, I noticed how frequently Bach used the dot-dot-dot-dash motive as beethoven used. In bach's prelude no.1 in C major WTC II, the motive is repeated a gazillion times. I just found this cool. :yay: |
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TheRach
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure this is something in math called "Group Theory." It was in Chang's book. |
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Max
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| Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, the 5-5-5-3 pattern. The whole 3 repeated notes and a surprise note (the 3) |
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Jackson
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| What is a dot-dot-dot-dash or a 3-3-3-5? |
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Jeliness2
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| Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Jackson, I meant as in rhythm w/ the dot-dot-dot-dash thing. But 5-5-5-3 means the note sequence. |
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Jackson
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh articulation you mean? (staccato-staccato-staccato-tenuto?) |
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Max
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| No in terms of scales. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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dot-dot-dot-dash = staccato-staccato-staccato-tenuto?
5-5-5-3 = (eg.) G-G-G-E?
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Jeliness2
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:22 am Post subject: |
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right.
except its g-g-g-e-FLAT |
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Philip Daniel
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:50 am Post subject: |
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This really does belong in general music, since it not only applies to the music of Bach and the baroque era but to all music in general. 
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Jeliness2
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| you like doing that, eh? |
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Max
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Philip Daniel wrote: |
This really does belong in general music, since it not only applies to the music of Bach and the baroque era but to all music in general.
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Definatly, as we were talking about Beethoven then.
I noticed in Haydns 'Fifths' String quartet there are lots of similar patterns rearranged mathmatically.
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