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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:38 am    Post subject: Compositions sizes Reply with quote

What are the smallest to largest compositions types (ie. symphony), in general?

Could someone give me the names of six (only six, please) in order?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uhhh.. I don't really know, but I'll try.

Piece
Sonata
Concerto
Mass
Symphony
Opera
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In form and legnth?

In general, I would say these in smallest to largest:

Prelude
Sonata
Symphony

I'm not sure of any other forms I should add. Would you count waltz and nocturne as form?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piano forms can be interjected within smallest to largest in general. Smile

The reason I ask is that I'm making user rankings on my forums (this is how they are going to be Very Happy).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh that's a cool idea!
I'd never think of that.
Respec Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Compositions sizes Reply with quote

Sohcahtoa wrote:
What are the smallest to largest compositions types (ie. symphony), in general?

Could someone give me the names of six (only six, please) in order?

Thanks. Smile

Hmm, good question. Smile

My guess..

Prelude
Etude
Waltz

Concerto
Grande Polonaise
Variation

(the list goes on!) lol Razz

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BTW, Capital idea, wish I would have thought of it. Wink hehe
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say the larger forms are those that contain the most complex content and therefore need a larger, more flexible structure to develop its motives. Ouvre such as sonatas, concerti, symphonies, rondos, passacaglias, chaccones, ground bass, fugues and ricercari, variations, toccatas, canons, operatic scenas, cantatas, opera, ballet, chamber music such as quartets and quintets, ballet, song cycles, oratorios, chorale preludes, impromptus, intermezzi, madrigals, overtures, symphonic poems, suites, serenades, cassations, divertimenti, masses, requiems, stabat maters, rhapsodies, and vocal ballads, among other kinds of musical work, are self-sufficent in their actual musical content, and the musical archictecture is well-thought out, with harmonic progressions, melodic relationships, and other idioms essentialy the backbone of the piece. The treatment of each factor in musical composition to integrate a perfect whole is what "glues" large forms that contain diverse material together, and is the basis for all the great works that are cosmic in scope. Smaller forms include the simple binary, rounded binary, ternary, strophic, strophic-binary, and ternary forms used in short dances and the like. Large forms contain fragments of smaller forms such as these, just as in musical acoustics acute, or high sounds are contained within grave, or low sounds Wink.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a symphony has no fixed length requirement - it just has to be a multi-movement orchestral work
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*sigh*. I suppose there is just no easy answer to this question. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

exactly, or you could grade them with actual piano pieces

like Chopin 28/7 prelude as a newbie

beethoven's appassionata as a middle ranger

and sorabji's opus clavicembalisticum when u get to 1000 posts Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha
or with pianist names
like Rusnak as a newbie
Liszt is when u get above 10000 posts Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2004 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, this is a much better idea! Thanks.

How about:

#1. Barcarolle
#2. Alleluia
#3. Le Preux
#4. Aime-Moi
#5. Concerto
#6. Trois Grandes Etudes

Could you think of any changes I could do to this, Comme?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In "Chopinistic" forms:

Prelude
Waltz
Etude
Nocturne
Poloniase
Ballade
Sonata
Concerto
Symphony

That would be what I would put.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheRach wrote:
Uhhh.. I don't really know, but I'll try.

Piece
Sonata
Concerto
Mass
Symphony
Opera

maybe Bagetelle is better than calling it a Piece
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sohcahtoa wrote:
OK, this is a much better idea! Thanks.

How about:

#1. Barcarolle
#2. Alleluia
#3. Le Preux
#4. Aime-Moi
#5. Concerto
#6. Trois Grandes Etudes

Could you think of any changes I could do to this, Comme?


haha, i see this is based on technical difficulty...but this can be controversial because its hard to agree on...plus the fact the op76 arent alkan's best pieces gives it a 'ah wikid...but oh not so wikid' factor

id like it, if you yould do a similar system, but when you get to the top rank - you get to choose your own 'hardest piece' - for eg i would obviously choose da 39/1 Cool (which isnt da hardest ...but when u consida da required tempo!!!!! nuff said Cool)
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