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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comme_le_Vent wrote:
so could you possibly explain the insane reason beethoven preffered handel?!?!

It might have just been his personal taste Wink.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard that although haydn was beethoven's teacher, they didn't like each other.


That's true. Beethoven was unsatisfied with Haydn's teaching, and Beethoven wasn't too fond of Haydn either. I think Haydn's teachings were indeed beneficial to Beethoven, but they just weren't compatible. Beethoven had to surreptitiously find a new teacher to teach him.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jeliness2 wrote:
I heard that although haydn was beethoven's teacher, they didn't like each other.


That's true. Beethoven was unsatisfied with Haydn's teaching, and Beethoven wasn't too fond of Haydn either. I think Haydn's teachings were indeed beneficial to Beethoven, but they just weren't compatible. Beethoven had to surreptitiously find a new teacher to teach him.

Beethoven did not hate Haydn, for he did admire his work almost unreservedly; however, as you said, the radical young Beethoven was somewhat incompatible in disposition to the largely conservative Haydn. Beethoven is reported as having said: "It is true Haydn gave me lessons, but he taught me nothing." Probably no one could have helped him greatly, for his genius seems not to have needed outside guidance and he never received suggestions kindly.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beethoven sounds like me.

Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comme_le_Vent wrote:
beethoven sounds like moi

Cool

I believe he spoke in a much more sophisticated & distinguished way Cool. No, seriously, he was an experimenter, even in his youth Wink.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's why he revolutionized music so much with what was whimsical back in the day.

I heard that beethoven didn't like how Haydn taught, but venerated his music.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've heard, Mozart said [] a lot.

Respect!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

from what i heard, they didn't use the word f*ck back then
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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from what i heard, they didn't use the word f*ck back then

That's right...they were too cultured and sophisticated to say such a thing out loud (although many prominent writers did write on the pleasures of doing "the thing" Wink.)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, the thing seems like quite an interesting and inapropriate subject. Lets progress!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, let me explain. Beethoven, never said he hated Haydn, he used his revolutionary string quartets(Haydn) as model for his own quartets(Beethoven). But, he didn't like the way he used to teach him, although he dedicated his 1st 3 sonatas to him, which you can see a strong influence of Mozart and Haydn in them, he never got along with him well. As for the Bach or Handel, I read some books yesterday and here are the results. Beethoven admired them both. He loved Handel because of his genius in creating melodies and his oratorios and masses. And as for for Bach, he was his model in writing contrapuntal music like Missa Solemnis, the fugues in his last 5 sonatas, fugues in the last 5 string Quartets (Op.130-35) and Die Grosse fugue, which shows Beethoven immense style of writing and creativity, and shows he was the next best counterpointist after Bach. He played WTC till the the last day of his life, and had several copies of it, which he recieved as gif from different publishers. He also intended to write a polyphonic, fugue for orchestra at the end of his life, and did some sketches, but never finished it, and that is what we refer to as 10th symphony, which was never finished.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comme_le_Vent wrote:
from what ive herd, mozart said f*ck alot

Respect!


Mozart was a frivolous and silly person at times. I would assume he would use profanity quite often.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

he sure did lol

i've read several letters of his.. many indeed are filled with wonderful, extensive vocabulary and beautiful style.
but he was often, as you said, quite silly and even careless.

and actually, I think he did use the word fu** a few times, along with other forms of describing a person negatively (like calling them an ass lol).

but whatever, he was coo Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Debussy wrote:
I believe Mozart might have had a minor influence on Beethoven, as he was born just before Beethoven. I read in a book a few years ago that when Beethoven was playing in Vienna at a young age, Mozart was there listening to him and he said that Beethoven would give the world something to listen to.


Listen to the op.14 sonatas. Obvious influence by good old Mozart.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bach's contrapuntal compositions were considered to be old-fashioned in the 18th century, when pre-classical style interested the most. That's it in a nutshell.
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