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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:11 am    Post subject: Fragments Reply with quote

I find it cool to see different popular pieces taking fragmental elements from pieces by Bach. In a performance of Beethoven's Symphony no.5 i saw a week ago, I noticed how frequently Bach used the dot-dot-dot-dash motive as beethoven used. In bach's prelude no.1 in C major WTC II, the motive is repeated a gazillion times. I just found this cool. :yay:
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure this is something in math called "Group Theory." It was in Chang's book.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the 5-5-5-3 pattern. The whole 3 repeated notes and a surprise note (the 3)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a dot-dot-dot-dash or a 3-3-3-5?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackson, I meant as in rhythm w/ the dot-dot-dot-dash thing. But 5-5-5-3 means the note sequence.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh articulation you mean? (staccato-staccato-staccato-tenuto?)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No in terms of scales.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dot-dot-dot-dash = staccato-staccato-staccato-tenuto?
5-5-5-3 = (eg.) G-G-G-E?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

right.

except its g-g-g-e-FLAT
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This really does belong in general music, since it not only applies to the music of Bach and the baroque era but to all music in general. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you like doing that, eh?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philip Daniel wrote:
This really does belong in general music, since it not only applies to the music of Bach and the baroque era but to all music in general. Very Happy
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Definatly, as we were talking about Beethoven then.

I noticed in Haydns 'Fifths' String quartet there are lots of similar patterns rearranged mathmatically.
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