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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:30 am    Post subject: composers and perfect pitch Reply with quote

which great composers had it, and which didnt have it?

how do you think it relates to their creative and musical abilities?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect pitch is not an ability but rather an enhancement of relative pitch, and many of the great composers did not have it i.e. Bach (I list him as having relative pitch because there is little proof that he had perfect pitch), Gluck, Haydn, Wagner, Stravinsky, & Ravel. Very few did, among them Mozart, Beethoven, and Rimsky-Korsakov. I myself have only relative pitch, as did most of the greatest musicians. It does not determine musical ability at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perfect pitch is not an ability but rather an enhancement of relative pitch, and many of the great composers did not have it i.e. Bach (I list him as having relative pitch because there is little proof that he had perfect pitch), Gluck, Haydn, Wagner, Stravinsky, & Ravel. Very few did, among them Mozart, Beethoven, and Rimsky-Korsakov. I myself have only relative pitch, as did most of the greatest musicians. It does not determine musical ability at all.


Exactly. Most composers didn't compose in their heads entirely, they would play it at the piano, and write it down.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Bizet and Saint Saens also had perfect pitch.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what about the total recall ability?

rachmaninov had it...so does that mean he had to have total recall?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comme what to you mean by totall recall? Rachmaninoff used to compose even large scale works almost entirely in his head and then write it down. Mendelssohn did the same thing, he referred to it as "copying out". Chopin also had the ability as did Liszt.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aswell as being a wikid movie starring da governator - total recall isda ability to hear a work played once - without having heard it before - and be able to play it yourself...totally recalling it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah ok. Mendelssohn could do that, so could Josef Hofmann
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep, and im pretty positive they had pp too.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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haha, yep

and i assume ziff did too, as there is a correlation with starting young and having it.


I started young but I don't have perfect pitch, though I have very high relative pitch.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Comme_le_Vent wrote:
haha, yep

and i assume ziff did too, as there is a correlation with starting young and having it.


I started young but I don't have perfect pitch, though I have very high relative pitch.


That's what I have - I can identify most notes by ear, but sometimes I will count up or down from C until I get to it.

Mozart also had the total recall ability.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mozart also had the total recall ability.

As did Mendelssohn and probably Saint-Saens Wink.
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