Chopin Music Forum

[Sohcahtoa]

What are the smallest to largest compositions types (ie. symphony), in general?

Could someone give me the names of six (only six, please) in order?

Thanks.

[TheRach]

Uhhh.. I don't really know, but I'll try.

Piece
Sonata
Concerto
Mass
Symphony
Opera

[WinterWind_23]

In form and legnth?

In general, I would say these in smallest to largest:

Prelude
Sonata
Symphony

I'm not sure of any other forms I should add. Would you count waltz and nocturne as form?

[Sohcahtoa]

Piano forms can be interjected within smallest to largest in general.

The reason I ask is that I'm making user rankings on my forums (this is how they are going to be ).

[TheRach]

Oh that's a cool idea!
I'd never think of that.
Respec

[PianistSk8er]

[Philip Daniel]

I'd say the larger forms are those that contain the most complex content and therefore need a larger, more flexible structure to develop its motives. Ouvre such as sonatas, concerti, symphonies, rondos, passacaglias, chaccones, ground bass, fugues and ricercari, variations, toccatas, canons, operatic scenas, cantatas, opera, ballet, chamber music such as quartets and quintets, ballet, song cycles, oratorios, chorale preludes, impromptus, intermezzi, madrigals, overtures, symphonic poems, suites, serenades, cassations, divertimenti, masses, requiems, stabat maters, rhapsodies, and vocal ballads, among other kinds of musical work, are self-sufficent in their actual musical content, and the musical archictecture is well-thought out, with harmonic progressions, melodic relationships, and other idioms essentialy the backbone of the piece. The treatment of each factor in musical composition to integrate a perfect whole is what "glues" large forms that contain diverse material together, and is the basis for all the great works that are cosmic in scope. Smaller forms include the simple binary, rounded binary, ternary, strophic, strophic-binary, and ternary forms used in short dances and the like. Large forms contain fragments of smaller forms such as these, just as in musical acoustics acute, or high sounds are contained within grave, or low sounds .
Best Wishes,
Philip Daniel

[Comme_le_Vent]

a symphony has no fixed length requirement - it just has to be a multi-movement orchestral work

[Sohcahtoa]

*sigh*. I suppose there is just no easy answer to this question.

[Comme_le_Vent]

exactly, or you could grade them with actual piano pieces

like Chopin 28/7 prelude as a newbie

beethoven's appassionata as a middle ranger

and sorabji's opus clavicembalisticum when u get to 1000 posts

[k-nar]

haha
or with pianist names
like Rusnak as a newbie
Liszt is when u get above 10000 posts

[Sohcahtoa]

OK, this is a much better idea! Thanks.

How about:

#1. Barcarolle
#2. Alleluia
#3. Le Preux
#4. Aime-Moi
#5. Concerto
#6. Trois Grandes Etudes

Could you think of any changes I could do to this, Comme?

[WinterWind_23]

In "Chopinistic" forms:

Prelude
Waltz
Etude
Nocturne
Poloniase
Ballade
Sonata
Concerto
Symphony

That would be what I would put.

[citrine_peridot]

[Comme_le_Vent]