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Postby johnmar78 » 15 Aug 2006, 19:47

Hi All, I discorved this just by chance.

In op53 polonaise, the last movement, the one after the clarvary march.
The first bar both RH e to g to e and LH e to e .

On the Alfred version, it did not have "g" on the rh. Mine is schimdit version (old yellow cover one); sound wise its hard to tell the differnce. Has any one got any other version eg utext or XXX and tell me which has Which? With Gs or not?? Which is correct??

Thanks very much.

John
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Postby PJF » 15 Aug 2006, 21:39

Which bar number? :?
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Postby johnmar78 » 15 Aug 2006, 22:05

dammm, i havenot got the book with me, its the first bar straight after the marching part...... boths hands on E flat chord..Eb...EbEb
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Postby johnmar78 » 16 Aug 2006, 16:00

Pete..its BAR 120..........please or anyone else..Thanks
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Postby PJF » 17 Aug 2006, 02:24

Including R.H. G's in bar 120, is definitely incorrect.

Urtext has, in bar 120, before the key change:

L.H. d# octave
R.H. d# octave + f##

After the key change:

L.H. Starting on Eb, chromatically ascending octaves only. No thirds.
R.H. Pedal point on the tonic (Eb). No G's.

The Urtext commentary (The 1988 Critical Report, by Edwald Zimmermann) does not address bar 120, so I believe the Schmidt Edition is in error.


I played this bar with and without the R.H. G's. It sounds far better without the mediant, IMO. When the third is included, the harmonics are dischordant.

p.s. Pedal points are usually on either the tonic, (as it is in this case) or on the dominant. In this case, given the chromatic L.H., a pedal point on both the tonic, (Eb) and the mediant, (G) is nonsensical.


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Postby johnmar78 » 20 Aug 2006, 16:09

thanks PETE.
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Postby PJF » 20 Aug 2006, 23:21

You're welcome! :mrgreen:
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