Login or Register to hide advertisements

composers and perfect pitch

Musical matters that fit into none of the above categories
Post a reply

composers and perfect pitch

Postby Comme_le_Vent » 19 Sep 2004, 07:30

which great composers had it, and which didnt have it?

how do you think it relates to their creative and musical abilities?
Comme_le_Vent
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 596
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 21:36
Location: Northumberland
Top

Postby Philip Daniel » 19 Sep 2004, 11:08

Perfect pitch is not an ability but rather an enhancement of relative pitch, and many of the great composers did not have it i.e. Bach (I list him as having relative pitch because there is little proof that he had perfect pitch), Gluck, Haydn, Wagner, Stravinsky, & Ravel. Very few did, among them Mozart, Beethoven, and Rimsky-Korsakov. I myself have only relative pitch, as did most of the greatest musicians. It does not determine musical ability at all.
Philip Daniel
Moderato(r)
Moderato(r)
 
Posts: 796
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 15:46
Top

Postby Max » 19 Sep 2004, 13:31

Philip Daniel wrote:Perfect pitch is not an ability but rather an enhancement of relative pitch, and many of the great composers did not have it i.e. Bach (I list him as having relative pitch because there is little proof that he had perfect pitch), Gluck, Haydn, Wagner, Stravinsky, & Ravel. Very few did, among them Mozart, Beethoven, and Rimsky-Korsakov. I myself have only relative pitch, as did most of the greatest musicians. It does not determine musical ability at all.


Exactly. Most composers didn't compose in their heads entirely, they would play it at the piano, and write it down.
Max
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 477
Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 17:20
Top

Postby Sohcahtoa » 19 Sep 2004, 13:43

I think Bizet and Saint Saens also had perfect pitch.
Sohcahtoa
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 83
Joined: 02 Sep 2004, 22:28
Top

Postby Comme_le_Vent » 19 Sep 2004, 18:31

what about the total recall ability?

rachmaninov had it...so does that mean he had to have total recall?
Comme_le_Vent
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 596
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 21:36
Location: Northumberland
Top

Postby Brewtality » 19 Sep 2004, 18:53

Comme what to you mean by totall recall? Rachmaninoff used to compose even large scale works almost entirely in his head and then write it down. Mendelssohn did the same thing, he referred to it as "copying out". Chopin also had the ability as did Liszt.
Brewtality
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 406
Joined: 26 Aug 2004, 19:38
Location: Australia
Top

Postby Comme_le_Vent » 19 Sep 2004, 19:34

aswell as being a wikid movie starring da governator - total recall isda ability to hear a work played once - without having heard it before - and be able to play it yourself...totally recalling it.
Comme_le_Vent
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 596
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 21:36
Location: Northumberland
Top

Postby Brewtality » 19 Sep 2004, 19:38

ah ok. Mendelssohn could do that, so could Josef Hofmann
Brewtality
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 406
Joined: 26 Aug 2004, 19:38
Location: Australia
Top

Postby Comme_le_Vent » 19 Sep 2004, 20:00

yep, and im pretty positive they had pp too.
Comme_le_Vent
Permanently Banned
 
Posts: 596
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 21:36
Location: Northumberland
Top

Postby Philip Daniel » 19 Sep 2004, 21:01

Comme_le_Vent wrote:haha, yep

and i assume ziff did too, as there is a correlation with starting young and having it.


I started young but I don't have perfect pitch, though I have very high relative pitch.
Philip Daniel
Moderato(r)
Moderato(r)
 
Posts: 796
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 15:46
Top

Postby Max » 22 Sep 2004, 10:58

Philip Daniel wrote:
Comme_le_Vent wrote:haha, yep

and i assume ziff did too, as there is a correlation with starting young and having it.


I started young but I don't have perfect pitch, though I have very high relative pitch.


That's what I have - I can identify most notes by ear, but sometimes I will count up or down from C until I get to it.

Mozart also had the total recall ability.
Max
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 477
Joined: 18 Sep 2004, 17:20
Top

Postby Philip Daniel » 26 Sep 2004, 20:53

Max wrote:
Mozart also had the total recall ability.

As did Mendelssohn and probably Saint-Saens :wink:.
Philip Daniel
Moderato(r)
Moderato(r)
 
Posts: 796
Joined: 25 Aug 2004, 15:46
Top

Re: composers and perfect pitch

Postby pianola » 30 Nov 2007, 22:07

Despite the number of musical geniouses in history, i dont think a lot of them have a perfect pitch. most of them have an enhancement of relative pitch.

i think "the prodigies" definitely have perfect pitches. Mozart, Mendelssohn......etc.

Mozart also had a super memory, when he was 13, he heard a nine-voiced pieced and remembered every single note in it. im not sure but i THINK its more than one hour long. :o

as for me, i think i have an enhancement of a relative pitch. and i rarely have perfect pitch, especially if someone just played a piece of music and its still ringing in my ear, i would just think in THAT key, and get confused.
pianola
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 48
Joined: 16 Oct 2007, 22:15
Top

Re: Additional composers

Postby DanGarcia » 28 Jun 2008, 05:08

Additional composers who presumably had perfect pitch:
  • Bela Bartok
  • Beethoven
  • Pierre Boulez
  • Benjamin Britten
  • Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin (of course...)
  • George Frideric Handel
  • John Phillip Souza

sources:
Perfect pitch people
Wikipedia Absolute pitch
Perfect pitch
DanGarcia
Registered Musician
 
Posts: 1
Joined: 28 Jun 2008, 04:49
Top


Post a reply

Return to General Music

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests

cron