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Postby Thracozaag on Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:09 am

PJF wrote:Idil Biret has freakishly tiny hands. I'm actually quite impressed with her playing.


So does DeLaroccha, big difference.

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Postby elvenpianist on Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:38 am

PJF wrote:Idil Biret has freakishly tiny hands. I'm actually quite impressed with her playing.


Nice to know that you're "actually" quite impressed with her playing, considering her obvious extreme handicap in having "freakishly tiny hands".

I'd be rather interested in knowing what you consider "freakishly tiny hands". What's that- someone with an octave reach?

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PS- I don't think Biret is any good, but to blame her lack of musical vision on her hand size is utterly absurd.
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Postby PJF on Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:28 am

I was making no assertion, positive or negative, about Biret's ability. I don't automatically dislike Biret's playing, but for the most part, I can't say that I like it. Are there better pianists, by a long shot? Yeah.

Nonetheless, I remain impressed.

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Postby PJF on Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:34 am

Thracozaag wrote:
PJF wrote:Idil Biret has freakishly tiny hands. I'm actually quite impressed with her playing.


So does DeLaroccha, big difference.

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You are correct, sir.


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Postby Brewtality on Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:45 am

AdL could reach a tenth, now only a 9th but still more than Hofmann!

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Postby PJF on Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:21 am

Biret can just barely reach an octave.
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Postby PJF on Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:29 am

Katya Grineva makes Idil Biret look like Vladimir Horowitz.
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Postby PJF on Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:11 am

What she lacks in talent, she makes up for in heart. She uses her 'talent' to raise money for the less fortunate. So I digress.
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Postby Chocturne on Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:12 am

Okay what is everyones problem with Idil Biret?!?! :?I think that she is one of the BEST Chopin interpreters, infact she has inspired me to not only learn piano but to try and master all of his Nocturnes. I think she has a wonderful technique. She also learned under Ruberstein and Cortot who said that she was one of the best Chopin players of the 20th Century. I don't understand how she could possibly be one of the WORST Chopin pianists :?:I have only heard her Nocturnes so far so I cannot speak for the etudes and ballades. But her Nocturnes are fantastic.
Also....can barely reach an octave....!?!? Really!? Gee that is tiny even my hands are bigger than that...well that gives me hope!!! :D
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Postby PJF on Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:25 am

I really like her Ballades and despise her Polonaises. I play the Polonaises better than Biret. She plays them with an astounding flatness. Her rendition of Chopin Etudes 10/1 and 10/2 are loaded with glaring note errors. Her Chopin Berceuse is very good.

A big negative is the harsh piano in most of her Chopin recordings; it sounds like the soundboard is made of corrugated aluminum. Oh, well.
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Postby Chocturne on Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:58 am

Actually I heard extracts of Arrau's (if that is how it is spelt) playing.....bluuuuuuuugh :shock:how terrible, I think it couldn't get much worse than that! Now I know why I kept hearing things about his over pedalling etc :?
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Postby MindenBlues on Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:34 pm

PJF wrote:I really like her Ballades and despise her Polonaises. I play the Polonaises better than Biret.


What about giving us a taste of your art? Great words you use! Since you play all Beethoven sonatas and all Chopin Etudes (you said so), and now you also play the Polonaises better than Biret...
I am really interested. Have you ever posted something to listen to, or only words, words, words???
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Postby elvenpianist on Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:37 pm

I play mazurkas 1000000000000000000000 times better than Biret. But that's not hard.

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Postby PJF on Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:17 am

MindenBlues wrote:
PJF wrote:I really like her Ballades and despise her Polonaises. I play the Polonaises better than Biret.


What about giving us a taste of your art? Great words you use! Since you play all Beethoven sonatas and all Chopin Etudes (you said so), and now you also play the Polonaises better than Biret...
I am really interested. Have you ever posted something to listen to, or only words, words, words???


Yeah, yeah. I'm gettin' to it. :P

About me playing polonaises better than Biret: have you heard Biret's Polonaises? They're truly awful; just monotonous banging.
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Postby Chocturne on Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:19 am

Opinions can be very subjective in this regard and I'd like to hear your mazurkas if you play them 10000000000000000 times better!?!
Surely if you are this good you should be more famous than Biret!!
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