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Postby Jhon on Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:55 pm

I found these interesting Chopin difficulty ratings through browsing the web. It's created by a guy name Alan Chan. From easiest to hardest...

24 Preludes
7, 20, 4, 6, 2, 15, 21, 11, 9, 17, 13, 10, 23, 3, 14, 1, 18, 5, 12, 19, 22, 24, 8, 16

51 Marzukas
5, 9, 43, 4, 47, 11, 41, 18, 6, 44, 45, 49, 14, 31, 16, 8, 12, 39, 14, 42, 22, 46, 24, 19, 34, 15, 20, 50, 25, 36, 3, 2, 1, 27, 10, 48, 40, 29, 7, 37, 30, 23, 28, 17, 13, 21, 26, 32, 33, 38, 51

14 Waltzes
12, 9, 3, 10, 7, 8, 6, 13, 11, 14, 4, 5, 1, 2

4 Ballades
3, 1, 2, 4

4 Scherzos
2, 4, 3, 1

You know this is just subjective - don't argue! :)Anyway, generally, I kinda agree. The only one I totally disgree with is the Scherzos ratings - for me, it's as simple as 4,3,2,1! 8)Also, I agree that Ballade #3 is the easiest - easier than #1.
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Postby pocorina on Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:55 am

You think 1 is the hardest?

First one I learned. Two seems diabolical to moi
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Postby Jeliness2 on Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:56 pm

Once you get to playing Chopin, it's not a matter of leveling, or whatever. You can't just "grade" it by difficulty as if it were some method book, because now, challenges arrise because of weaknesses of the pianist himself.
Hamelin> Nocturnes?
Horowitz> Etude no.7?

etc...
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Postby Jhon on Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:20 pm

pocorina wrote:You think 1 is the hardest?

First one I learned. Two seems diabolical to moi


Yes...#1 is the hardest for me. It may be the simplest (and the shortest) in terms of structure - it's just a bunch of repeats and it doesn't have a development part - but seems to be the most diabolic and pompous of all. Also, the chords in the 2nd theme in the scherzo part (not the trio) are hard to memorize since most are actually dischord. Finally, the coda is as pessimistic as the coda of the 1st Ballade.

#4 may be large-scale but there's a simple choice of chords. Actually,
it's boring listening to it unless it's very fast.
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Postby Max on Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:21 pm

"4 Scherzos
2, 4, 3, 1 "

I wonder if he has actually played them, 4 is by far the most difficult scherzo...#3 is easier than #2, and #1 is very pianistic and is probably easier than #2...

It might be his opinion, but it is wrong :lol:(in my opinion of course)
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Postby Sightreader on Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:32 am

No difficulty ratings for the etudes?...
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Postby Mephisto on Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:21 am

Jeliness2 wrote:Once you get to playing Chopin, it's not a matter of leveling, or whatever. You can't just "grade" it by difficulty as if it were some method book, because now, challenges arrise because of weaknesses of the pianist himself.
Hamelin> Nocturnes?
Horowitz> Etude no.7?

etc...


What did you mean by that?
Does hamelin think that the nocturnes are hard?

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Postby Amnesia on Sun Apr 17, 2005 8:35 am

Jeliness2 wrote:Once you get to playing Chopin, it's not a matter of leveling, or whatever. You can't just "grade" it by difficulty as if it were some method book, because now, challenges arrise because of weaknesses of the pianist himself.
Hamelin> Nocturnes?
Horowitz> Etude no.7?

etc...


That's absoutely true. The difficulty of a piece depends almost entirely on the pianist's technical capabilities. What may be easy for one person might be hell on earth for another. Of course one can rate a piece generally speaking, but there can be no definitive rating system for every pianist since everyone's capabilities on the piano vary a great deal..
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Postby Max on Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:24 pm

And Chopin is especially pianistic as well...so it's not really a case of difficulty, its a case of applying the right fingering and technique, that's what I find.
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Postby PianistSk8er on Sun Apr 17, 2005 4:30 pm

Sightreader wrote:No difficulty ratings for the etudes?...


I'll do it...

All 27 etudes = DAYUM hard. ;)

Except maybe 25/2 and 25/1 (maybe). They're all quite intense.
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Postby Jhon on Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:55 pm

Sightreader wrote:No difficulty ratings for the etudes?...


It's really hard to rate the etudes since each one's difficulty is more relative among pianists than among the etudes itself.
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Postby Max on Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:54 pm

The Etudes defy difficulty, because they are difficult but in a pianistic way...once you master the technique then they no longer pose a problem.
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Postby Nocturneguy on Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:11 pm

Horowitz couldn't play no. 7 op. 10? What...? hmmm, thats interesting, Cortot can play it, so can Francis Plante, Ashkenazy, Pollini...why not Howoritz? He had the biggest techinique out of them all...
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Postby Max on Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:45 am

10/7 is stupidly awkward out of all the Etudes. I bet that he could play it but not to the same standard as the rest of the etudes (didn't he say that he 'couldn't play' 25/10 as well?)
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Postby Fryderyk on Sat Apr 30, 2005 11:51 am

Nocturneguy wrote:Horowitz couldn't play no. 7 op. 10? What...? hmmm, thats interesting, Cortot can play it, so can Francis Plante, Ashkenazy, Pollini...why not Howoritz? He had the biggest techinique out of them all...


He had wierd a technique. I think he could play it- just not to his satisfaction..

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